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Cannon Ponies that need MORE recognition:
Fluttershy
Rarity
CELESTIA.

Cannon Ponies that need LESS recoginition:
LUNA.
PinkiePie

:I you will never see me draw Pinkie because I strongly dislike her and I will RARELY draw Luna alone. Most of my drawings of Luna will have Celestia.
Celestia in my personal opinion is way better than Luna and I think Luna is over glorified :I

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Amous-Anona Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
OMG LEMME HUG YOU :'D I AGREE COMPLETELY 

Celestia is my favorite pony by quite a high margin, but Dashie holds a big place in my heart too <3

The only thing is the complete lack of respect for her from the writers. She sort of feels like Spike; just kind of thrown in there when needed. She has SO MUCH potential, but she's never got the chance to be more than just a 2-D character. The reason why she's my favorite is because of the development I've had to hunt for, either from the comics of from headcanons like Lullaby for a Princess (which in my mind is WAY better than what happened). 

Another thing that ticks me off is the carelessness in which they execute her little bit of development. In the show, she really got off on the wrong foot. When describing Sombra, she says that he has a heart as black as night. They could have used so many different adjectives, but they chose to use night. And in the Nightmare Moon transformation scene, she showed absolutely no sadness; just anger. That really made me mad that they wouldn't pay attention to those things.

Tia is a beautiful character, but she needs more development and attention to make her really shine ^-^
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Yes yes!! Someone who understands! :D ME FRIENDO!! <3

Yup yup the writers are very inconsiderate over Celestia but i will respect them for other character development v-v maybe in the next season we will get more Celestia development?
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VIVIEND0 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I personally think Celestia is overly glorified, as she appoints Twilight and her friends to do all of the dirty work, and is still recognized as the almighty and perfect leader of Equestria.

However, Rarity definitely deserves more recognition!
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I don't think Celestia in that sense would be 'Over Glorified'

Technically if Celestia did all the hero work and constantly saved people Twilight would have to be a side character

I could say the same for luna as you could sau for Celestia
What has Luna done to save Equestria? Sure she hasn't sent people out like Celestia but at least Celestia is doing something

9 times out of 10 each adventure Twilight was 'sent' to do was to test her strength and continue her training.
Celestia was training her to possibly become the next princess

Also, keep in mind Celestia has to raise/set the sun, run Equestria, care for her subjects all while being fair, calm and training Twilight. She's a very busy person and has a lot of pressure on her shoulders and sacrifies a lot for her subject

I would say Luna does nothing and just makes everything worse because of Nighmare Moon but, just like Celestia, the issue is blameless and she doesn't get enough screen time to be blamed for 'not doing anything to save her people'

The main characters in the show are of course, the Mane Six, Twilight being the leader.
I don't consider that an excuse to undermine Celestia or say she is a lazy queen, because she isn't. She just hasn't had much air time. Why? Because once again she isn't a main character

The point of the statement I made is that Celestia doesn't get enough credit at all. Luna, Derpy, Pinkie, AppleJack, Dr.Hooves and all the other super minor background characters have more story than the more important characters (well Luna is very important)

I like Luna but I dislike the fandom acting as if she is some hero when she has done nothing to save anyone?
She has only saved them from herself, causing more problems because of her insecurities, but I suppose thats blameless as well

We don't see Celestia putting her subjects in peril like Luna has. We don't see her save them because she isn't a main character and has her own duties

Celestia is more noble and considerate than Luna in my personal opinion but of course thats debatable
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VIVIEND0 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I understand your opinion, but if Celestia has such importance, then why does she have such little screentime? Her powers are too vast for her to rarely be acknowledged, thus she is slightly Mary Sue.

Also, the fandom has done plenty for Celestia. She's acknowledged more than some of the Mane 6, and is growing popular for one main reason. She's overpowered. I know others agree with that statement. If Celestia deserves more acknowledgment, why is she so minor to the plot with powers too big for her small character? She deserves about as much acknowledgement as the minor background character she is. The only reason anybody cares for her is her status and magic.
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Well thats the point of this statement and simply an opinion
Celestia needs more screentime

Also
If Celestia were 'mary sue' or 'over powered' why was she defeated by Crysalis?

She's not Over powered, shes just not stronger than love
Which is a powerful statement. Love rules all

And as for her not getting screentime
I ask this question too and that question is something we should ask the writers :)


I don't really see much aknowlegement at all?
I see much much more luna love than love for celestia
Thats just what I see though
Remember this is an opinion dear
Not a challenge
You can like and disklike what you want
But I can do the same
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VIVIEND0 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I understand your opinion. Just don't call me dear, it's aggravating. You're most likely not much older than me, and it seems as though you're talking down to me.
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
? I'm sorry
I use that as a kind thing
Not to talk down to people

I guess if thats how you view it thats fine...
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VIVIEND0 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
It's alright, just a small pet peeve of mine. ^^

But thank you for taking the time to talk to me, I really appreciate it.
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
You're welcome! <3 it was very fun talking to you as well!
Have a good day!
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broqentoys Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
celestia! yes! she's amazing :D and yeah, luna is...

aw, i do like pinkie pie though, but its alright, i see why some people dislike her x3
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Don't get me wrong now
I like Luna I love her actually but I love Celestia even more because she's a true queen and ruler
She puts her people above and beyond her problems and feelings
It was very noble of her to sacrifice her own feelings and banish her sister, who she loved and caref for, just to protect her people

Then now she has to raise/set the moon and sun, while also running the whole country while maintaining a proud and kind face
The Summer Solstice cerimony is something she Cannonly said she disliked because it was the day she banished her sister BUT she still smiled and went to each one, just for the pleasure of her subjects

Celestia is truely a moe character and a hero to all of Equestria
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broqentoys Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
nicely said!
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ElsaTinuviel Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Writer
Okay just nooo

Fluttershy is terrifying. Terrifying. 

Rarity? YAAAAAAS. Please. I love Rares. 

Celestia? Eh, there are two different Cellies, basically. The canon one, who sits on her sun-branded butt and does NOTHING, and the headcanon, who has feelings and is totally awesome. So meh. 

LUNA FOREVER. I love Lu so much. 

Pinkie? Also terrifying. Go away Pinkie. 

Personally, I want more Doctor Whooves and Rose. 
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Just one thing-

Celestia doesn't sit on her rump and do nothing in Cannon
They just don't show anything about her :I
How do we know she does nothing when we don't see her?
She does however save Equestria at LEAST once from nightmare moon (banishing her sis to the moon)

Headcannon varies and is debatable
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ElsaTinuviel Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Writer
Annnd this banishing was what, over 1000 years ago? She lost to Chrysalis, she simply sent Twi off to defeat Discord, even when we know Alicorns are freakishly powerful, she didn't even bother to go to the Crystal Empire herself when Sombra came back (even though she defeated him the first time...)

They should write Tia very different. Seriously. I'd love to have a couple episodes about her. 
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
:I remember Celestia has a very important job
She runs all of equestria
Not to mention the power of Love is the most powerful thing (a point the writers were putting out) hence why celestia couldn't defeat her
Not to mention the Crystal Empire was a test for Twilight, a blossoming Princess.

Also, she couldn't hold the sun and moon forever and she did want to see her sister again. Celestia banished her in the hopes that when she returned she would be able to turn luna around and fix her (probably what she was training Twilight for is what I was theorizing)

As for discord I assume it was also another test for Twilight or Celestia knew that she could defeat him


i theorize Celestia knew and planned Twilight becoming a Princess. She did in fact, give her the wings herself.
So, if an Alicorn has the power to make a pony an alicorn who's to say she didn't plan all of this? Celestia did send Twilight to Ponyville to make friends after all. And what a good place to start for the princess of friendship.
And not to mention Celestia did know that Luna would return, but she also knew Twilight would find out about it and she believed that Twilight would find the elements of harmony (something only a Princess or a 'trained princess' would be able to find, acsess and use ) and defeat Nightmare moon.

Also this comment is probably all over the place because I'm sick but
I'm pretty sure the Elements of Harmony is the most powerful magic known, more powerful than love and the sun (aka Celestia)
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ElsaTinuviel Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Writer
You make some fair points, but I'd like to point out a few things. 

One, it's more than just the wings that make an Alicorn. Any old unicorn could have wings but still not have the raw power shown in an Alicorn. So Celestia giving Twi wings really was not that impressive. 

And every dang disaster that happens in Equestria shouldn't all be Twilight's tests. I think it was poor writing that Celestia just sent her into danger every other episode with basically no regard for her safety. 

I'm not saying I hate Celestia. In fact, I'm pretty fond of her. I'm just saying that the writers didn't do a very good job developing her character. They've basically underscored her, just tossed her to the curb with all the other side characters. If she rules all of Equestria, why do we never get to see any of that? It irritates me. I think they should really make a movie (or at the very least an episode) about her backstory.

If we get so much of Twilight, can't we get some of Celestia? the most interesting scene we've gotten so far was that argument with Luna in Slice of Life! The most charactarization I've seen is when she told Twilight about how she used to feel about the Summer Sun Celebration in the beginning of Season Four. 

Basically, all I'm saying is that Celestia has not been developed and therefore she has virtually no character in the show.
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I agree with all of this except:

-simply having wings and a horn actually does mean that the pony in question has Alicorn powers, but like all powers they aren't equal. However Alicorn magic is clearly superior to normal magic
If Celestia gave her wings maybe its because Twilight already possessed the powers to be an alicorn, just lacked wings
But as soon as she gets wings and a horn she is a princess and still very powerfull

My argument is weak though because Sunset Shimmer and that other horse with the 'Equality' obsession is in fact more powerful than Twilight :/

However- TRAINING Twilight and prepairing her for the responsiblity of being a princess is pretty impressive to me
Not just giving her wings but knowing she needed/deserved them
Idk its just a theory


I do agree though that Celestia needs much more screen time and character development
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ElsaTinuviel Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Writer
Okay so

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. In order to be an alicorn, you have to possess the potential. (just watch some videos by TheBronyNotion) 

-Sunset and Starlight (her name is not 'that other horse with the Equality obsession, it's Starlight Glimmer and she's awesome) both appear to have the same potential as Twi. 

-Training, yes. I just wish we saw more of it, instead of just bits and pieces here and there where Celestia sends Twi off to save the world (again)

Sorry if I came across as rude or anything. I just take underdeveloped characters and ponies very seriously...being a writer and all...
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Nah nah its ok
I respect your opinion
I love to debate ^^

I can see there is a lot of controversy that could be easily solved if the writers would simply elaborate upon celestia v-v i totally agree! C:
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Vionova Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yesss Celestia is one of best ponies XD and pinkie is my least favorite. I love them all, but there's just something about her that makes me not like her as much. :( BOOK HORSE IS BEST HORSE
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Well in the fandom Pinkie is this weird, creepy psycopath who murders people :I
Not cool
This is a happy family show
Not Saw

Her Cannon however does annoy me :I
I don't like people who can't take something seriously
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Vionova Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
True XD, sometimes the fandom gets too weird for me :( but I agree with you there
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digimonlover101 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I love luna and celestia but I love luna more because she has more character development but I think we're overdue for a celestia episode.
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Well the character deveopment is debatable for all characters

And yes v-v i would love more detail with celestia. She is a really big part of the show and we rarely see her
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pastromy Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Celestia has a lot of recognition in the IDW comics -v-
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I tend to not take comics into consideration because i'm not interested in them v-v

I'm talking about general artwork. The fandom can get pretty toxic towards Celestia and over glorifies Luna.
I'm talking about how people blame Celestia for Luna's banishing. The situation is blameless.
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pastromy Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Blame CELESTIA for LUNA'S BANISHMENT?
Okay, that's something I can't take. It was nopony's fault.
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Cherri-Crimzon Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Hobbyist
Rarity and Pinkie are my two favorites v w v

And my favorite princess is Cadence > w <
Though Celestia is a close second
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NebulaNovia Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Ah yes v-v thats perfectly fine! <3
I rather like Rarity <3
I just hope this status update doesn't come across as rude or something

I don't minf people liking Pinkie or Luna
I just think other ponies need more recognition <3

Oh! I had forgotten about Cadence! She does need more recognition. I get a little annoyed with people who gripe about her design (and Flurry Heart's design v-v ) the show is directed to a family audience, meaning childeren as well as adults, you have to keep that in mind. The design is simply kid friendly! Its the personality people should look at
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